Chris Aldrich

@lordmatt I'm not aware of a centralized collection (yet). Some, but not all, of the projects and sites you'll find at https://indieweb.org/discovery have some resources for finding people who can send/receive webmentions. Everyone on @microdotblog certainly can.

@fionajvoss Let's start by posting on our own sites first and seeing what evolves? Perhaps we could talk @manton2 into adding discovery for 🎞️ emoji for watches on micro.blog the way he has for 📚?

@eli @colinwalker Discovery is certainly a difficult issue. Perhaps we could talk Kevin and Tantek into reconstituting Technorati?! :)

Interestingly this is the third time I've heard about webrings in the last month, and only after serendipitously coming across the only one I'd seen in over a decade or more: https://hotlinewebring.club/

Kevin Marks started a table of "Lost Infrastructure" not too long ago: http://indieweb.org/lost_infrastructure

I like the ability to put URLs on crossposted versions as well.

If you include the ability to link to cross posted versions, particularly for hosted, be sure to include a u-syndication (microformat) class on it: see also: http://indieweb.org/u-syndication

For those on WordPress, it would be nice if there were built in support for the Syndication Lins plugin https://wordpress.org/plugins/syndication-links/ which covers several other services that POSSE copies and shows syndication links as well for post discovery.

huffduffer and Not Huffduffer http://johnjohnston.info/blog/huffduffer-and-not-huffduffer

John describes an early experience with Huffduffer and then goes on to describe how he rolled his own version of something similar. While having your own tools is great, it does make it somewhat difficult to do the social sharing portion if you don't build that into the picture. I wish Jeremy Keith had been able to help him out as I'd love to have an idea of what John is regularly listening to and enjoying.

#podcast #discovery

@mattmaldre Since you enjoy discovery enough to have a blog category, I'm compelled to recommend @huffduffer https://huffduffer.com

@eatpodcast @jimpick @realkimhansen @abrams @Feedly Jeremy, I agree with you wholeheartedly that SoundCloud is a dreadful option overall--apologies if I gave the impression otherwise. Given it's cost and the fact that it's what I would call a super-silo make it a non-starter unless you're looking for a very sort term solution or if you're a mega-media company and have the money to burn to try to reach another tiny sliver of audience you didn't have before.

Sadly, given their position in the space, companies like Apple, SoundCloud, and perhaps a few others haven't continued building out and innovating. (Marco Arment, who you mentioned in this particular podcast, recently had an episode on being "Sherlocked" that touches on the economics of perhaps why they haven't gone the extra mile http://boffosocko.com/2017/02/02/%F0%9F%8E%A7-under-the-radar-65-getting-sherlocked-under-the-radar/ ) Given the technology they've already got, they could/should go the next several steps to leverage their position to make things easier for everyone. The search and AI portions could also be done by Google, but presumably they'd need some additional motivation to do this as it's the type of niche area they've been getting out of lately. (And could we really take another GoogleReader-type shutdown?) Perhaps it might be a rich area for a feed reader company like Feedly to get into? Or maybe Jonathan Abrams with Nuzzel has some of the search/algorithm technology to be able to extend into this area, particularly for the discovery portion which Nuzzel is quite good at for articles.

We also need a better/easier solution for the average Jane who wants to create a simple podcast without spending two weeks doing a mini-startup to set it all up and get it going with the widest distribution possible.

I'm honestly puzzled that YouTube doesn't get into the space as they've already got a huge piece of the puzzle built. Just provide the ability to strip out an .mp3 file from a video (there's a huffduffer bookmarklet that allows this: http://huffduff-video.snarfed.org/ ) and make that available for download/subscription within their ecosystem. I'd suspect that with a week of coding, they could completely corner the entire podcast market from soup to nuts. One of the toughest parts of web is audio/video, and it's one of the few places that indie developers don't/can't touch because of the high technical and even intellectual property hurdles.

I do appreciate larger companies like This American Life doing things like Shortcut [https://m.thisamericanlife.org/blog/2016/10/introducing-shortcut ] though it would be better if the technology was opensourced. (See also thread at: https://twitter.com/rdhyee/status/809556321871622144 )

As an aside, I've just noticed at http://indieweb.org/podcast that Kevin Marks' ever useful unmung.com will apparently "turn podcast feeds into playable HTML5 audio with microformats markup".

I have just gone through the process of setting up Medium's plugin, so I'm giving that a spin for a couple weeks prior to kicking the tires of SNAP's integration. SNAP has done an excellent job on other platforms, so I'm guessing they're using all the available features there and probably have a stronger 1-1 mapping of data from one platform to the other, particularly as Medium is aiming at WordPress directly first. The one thing you might want to be careful about with Medium is making sure you don't have a "rel=canonical" tag [https://indieweb.org/rel-canonical] showing up on your Medium post, otherwise you might be getting docked by Google and others with respect to SEO. I know the Medium plugin handles this well, but haven't checked on how IFTTT or SNAP handle this yet.

I'm curious what specifically you found confusing about IndieWeb? Some of us in the WordPress group have been trying to make the value proposition and workflow better, particularly over the past several months. (Admittedly, before about April, the onboarding process was MUCH messier and the end user had to do a lot more reading/discovery and work to set things up, but I think the hurdle has moved much lower since then.) If you take a look at it again, I'd love to know where you experience problems/issues, so we can make things better for others. If you need help, there are many of us on IRC [https://indieweb.org/IRC] who can often help in real time.

As for privacy, in general, Facebook, Google+, et all are all public facing networks, so people posting there are really posting for everyone to see in the first place. If they're posting privately, I believe that the IndieWeb protocols respect that and don't import private webmentions. Most of the rest is about data ownership for you and your blog as well as trying to maintain a central repository for your blogs posts of all the conversation taking place around what you're posting. Part of the downfall of social media is that it can often fragment conversations. In some sense IndieWeb helps glue them all back together.

On your last point, I had a bit of cognitive dissonance with this as well when I started into IndieWeb, but I've just streamlined my workflow significantly (and for the better). I've turned off all the emails and notifications from individual social media platforms (at least as they relate to my content) and I rely on my WordPress install to do all the notifications. This way, for example, when someone replies to one of my posts on Facebook, I see the webmention via WordPress, and then use that to click on the contained link to the reply on Facebook. I'll then reply natively on Facebook so the other party sees it there (typically by Facebook notification), but then the IndieWeb backend ports over my comment back to the comments section of my own blog. My "audience" can follow me on their platform of choice, and I can still interact, but I still own all the resulting data: Win-win-win!

.@abrams Could @nuzzel partner w/ @adactio @huffduffer to provide same magic for #podcasts as it does w/ news? http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/on-discovery-of-good-content-from-the-interwebsa-short-reply

On discovery of (good) content from the interwebs.
A short reply to @anildash @kylewmahan @tinokremer et. al

Tino, your note reminds me of Dave Winer's http://podcatch.com/ service which he built to be able to have access to interesting podcasts at any time without having to sync his phone. Sadly, I think it's a static source and not quite the tool that even https://huffduffer.com/ is and even that requires some user set up to find great material.

I remember early web efforts like Digg that were interesting for a while, but sadly services like this regress to the mean and one gets the fluff that appeals to Harry and Mary Beercan.

My favorite discovery engine lately is the Nuzzle News app from Jonathan Abrams (http://nuzzel.com/) which plugs into my social feeds and gives me articles from friends/influencers that have been mentioned several times. The value of the site is the ability to easily plug in well curated twitter lists on particular topics which then finds articles tweeted about multiple times by people I trust. I find that most of what the app uncovers is worth reading and thinking about. Rarely does it surface fluff, though I find that the articles in the friends of friends category are things that I don't care that much about.

If only we could get Nuzzle to partner with Huffduffer?!

Pocket also has a recommended tab (https://getpocket.com/a/recommended/) which is relatively useful, but it really isn't far from the simple algorithmic approach of Digg in the past.

Also, can someone please build an internet-wide filter to get rid of #listicles and the joke and fluff emails with the 1000 forwards from 1998? We'd all be a lot better off. #PanemEtCircenses

I found your post through the POSSE'd version on Medium, so cheers for discovery through syndication! But since neither your nor I would "own" this comment and you'd be less likely to see it if I posted it on Medium, I'm replying from my own site instead. Thanks for writing such a nice and lucid piece on the #IndieWeb!