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Thinking about going , but haven't made a platform choice? @GrabaPerch is an interesting choice with Webmention support and more. Also currently on sale!
https://twitter.com/grabaperch/status/978314153705295877

 

@kaushalmodi @_dgoldsmith It looks like @schussman has gotten Webmention and display as well as a manual box working on his Hugo site as well, so he may be of some help too: https://prettygoodhat.com/post/2018-01-14-retuning-indieweb/

 

@huby plain old semantic HTML with microformats in combination with the webmention protocol allow one to post "likes" to one's own website and send them to others. Here's a simple example: http://boffosocko.com/2018/01/11/1-million-webmentions/

 

@kaushalmodi I know that @_dgoldsmith has gotten Webmention working with Hugo before, presuming that's what you're building on top of. https://chat.indieweb.org/ is also a good place to ask.

 

@mlncn @hongpong I suspected Dries would find you both via the wiki having blazed some of the trail beforehand, so I didn't want to extend the post to point out what I suspected he would find quickly enough.

Simultaneously, my intention was to do a "BCC Webmention" of sorts so that the two of you were at least aware of his original post if you hadn't seen it. Sorry if it read as spam to some extent, but I didn't really have specific posts on all of your sites that would have made a huge amount sense to highlight to get them in via a traditional mention or a reply. Thus I did a few homepage webmentions to get them in under the wire, so to speak.

I don't think it's a common pattern to ping someone's site this way, but given the precedent and prior art within email, it seemed like a somewhat useful way to send the notification without making it so explicit. I'm glad you received it and understood at least some of the intention.

I didn't see a webmention endpoint on Dan's homepage, so I'm glad to have the chance to explicitly @mention him on Twitter with this post.

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Replied to a post on github.com :

Within the past month [it's guestimated that over 1 million webmentions](https://snarfed.org/1-million-webmentions) have been sent on the internet. There's not really solid research on how many sites physically send and/or receive them, but as of [last June](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkc5afFohmI&t=2s) the conservative number was in the range of about 5,000 and the number is increasing rapidly, particularly with platforms like micro.blog (5-10,000 accounts) now supporting them out of the box and CMSs like Drupal (via plugin) and Perch having added them since then. This also doesn't take into account an anecdotally sharp uptick of adoption on WordPress via plugin, most notably by several WordPress core developers.

Mastodon already supports most microformats for webmention to be implemented more easily. https://github.com/tootsuite/mastodon/issues/122 and https://github.com/tootsuite/mastodon/issues/965

There are already a number of open source tools that might also be bootstrapped for something like this as well: https://indieweb.org/Webmention#Services

 

@mrkrndvs I'm curious if you manually cut & paste your replies for others' sites (who may not support webmention or even pingback/trackback) into their old-school comments sections?

I often worry that without that, or without replying to versions on Twitter if they syndicated, they won't see my response via pingback/trackback or other means. Instead my reply sits all alone on my site and they don't have the benefit of seeing it at all unless they come across it organically otherwise.

Generally when I manually cut and paste replies, I'll often use the comment's "website" field to include the permalink for my comment and then I'll take the permalink for my comment and add it to my syndication links since I've manually syndicated it.

Sometimes I notice that including multiple links in a reply can also run afoul of spam filters.

One of my favorite set of machinations occurred recently when I wrote this reply to Jon Udell: http://boffosocko.com/2018/01/07/reply-to-annotating-web-audio-by-jon-udell/

Jon came back to his original post and appended his own comment to document my comment in the most circuitous of manners which included using his annotation tool Hypothes.is: https://blog.jonudell.net/2018/01/06/annotating-web-audio/#comment-474656

Interestingly we both used WordPress, Hypothes.is, and Twitter to carry on the conversation. I was quite impressed that he took the time to circle back around and document my end of the conversation since he must have missed my pingback (he doesn't have webmentions) and my manual cut & paste, but did manage to see the notification on Twitter.

It all just goes to show that you've got to keep your eye on the tech that you and everyone else is using until it's broadly and evenly distributed. One day perhaps...

 

Ha gRegor! Very funny!

Oddly my install doesn't know how to process wementions to that particular (pseudo or archive) URL, so I didn't get the webmention somehow (or it's hiding really well). Perhaps better to have used a homepage wm instead? I only saw this ultimately as the result of your wiki edit. I still laughed out loud though.

 

The sad part is that Patreon is able to act as a bank of sorts on behalf of thousands of creators so that patrons can donate to several dozen causes and reduce the transaction fees overall by bundling them into single transactions rather than dozens of transactions with higher fees. It helps to overcome the problem of micropayments in a sense.

I saw your note about taking payments directly and I'm considering switching over to that, though It may be easier to do either quarterly or annual payments so that you get a larger chunk of the payment compared to smaller ones on a per episode basis.

In addition to the payment side, you may have noticed that I "fixed" the support announcement side: http://boffosocko.com/2017/12/22/a-supporting-page/ This reminds me that I still ought to reset my iTunes password (which I never use) to log in and send you a positive review there. If only iTunes would support webmention so you could own your reviews...

 

@steveivy @sivy@toot.cafe By the way, if this webmention works, you'll probably want to update your now outdated Comments footer...

 

The more I think about archiving the web this week, the more value and stability I think that the W3C's Webmentions spec could be adding to the internet and copies of it.
https://indieweb.org/Webmention

 

For citations, @Regina2SU, you could use the W3C's Webmention protocol for sending/receiving notifications
https://indieweb.org/webmention

 

@frank Webmentions are an extra generation or two beyond the traditional pingbacks/trackbacks. The receiver actually verifies that the sender is displaying the permalink on a physical page before accepting it, thereby cutting down on spam (there have been no reports of webmention spam in the wild yet.) Webmentions and their structure are also set up to allow the receiving site to better handle display which often includes the name, avatar, and either excerpts, or complete comment. I use them in WordPress and there's generally little if any difference in the display of Webmention replies and comments natively put into the system manually. Webmention also allows additonal types of mentions including likes, bookmarks, reads, listens, etc. to distinguish for context.

 

@khurtwilliams Kudos for your tenacity! I just saw your notes on my site. The first http://boffosocko.com/2017/10/28/content-bloat-privacy-archives-peter-molnar/#comment-37986 appears to have been sent first as the webmention. The second two (http://boffosocko.com/2017/10/28/content-bloat-privacy-archives-peter-molnar/#comment-37984 and http://boffosocko.com/2017/10/28/content-bloat-privacy-archives-peter-molnar/#comment-37985) appear to have been input manually in the comment section of my site.

I'm guessing you didn't see (or possibly get the webmention--unless you're careful WordPress can often put webmentions into your spam queue) my other reply the other day that explained the issue. You can find it here (http://stream.boffosocko.com/2017/kh%C3%BCrt-ive-figured-it-out-then-id-seen-the-issue or here threaded into the commentary http://boffosocko.com/2017/10/25/your-licenses-frankly-my-dear-cogdogblog/#comment-37780), but I'll also manually syndicate my replies to you as well. Hopefully the explanation will solve your mystery.

By the way, once you fixed the URL on your first original webmention, it did come through and is listed in the Mentions subsection at the bottom of the comments: http://boffosocko.com/2017/10/25/your-licenses-frankly-my-dear-cogdogblog/#comments It shows up as a mention instead of a reply, because the URL that fed through was the raw one (i.e. without a class in the body of your response). If you fix the emoji portion and click save that URL will have a u-in-reply-to which should cause your response to show up and be parsed properly as a reply instead of just a vanilla mention).

If you'd like to discuss the subtleties of any of this in person, feel free to catch me on my phone number on my homepage. :)

 

Khürt, a webmention wasn't sent to my site because the URL for my post doesn't appear on your page. The URL you've wrapped around my name in your post is the permalink for your post instead. The better option is to put my URL into the URL field in the Post Kinds meta box in the admin UI as seen here: http://boffosocko.com/2017/08/11/post-kinds-plugin-for-wordpress/#How+to+use+Post+Kinds+in+practice

This will cause the URL to be wrapped with the appropriate microformat class "u-in-reply-to" that will trigger your webmention plugin and send your response to me. Without my URL on your page, the webmention plugin won't send me one, and then on my end, my page won't accept a webmention if your page doesn't have my URL on it.