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@wimleers @Google @drupal @timmillwood I remember doing an presentation at DrupalCamp LA a couple of years ago right after a Piwik (@matomo_org) talk and it seemed like an interesting solution at the time.
https://www.drupal.org/project/piwik

 

@mlncn @hongpong I suspected Dries would find you both via the wiki having blazed some of the trail beforehand, so I didn't want to extend the post to point out what I suspected he would find quickly enough.

Simultaneously, my intention was to do a "BCC Webmention" of sorts so that the two of you were at least aware of his original post if you hadn't seen it. Sorry if it read as spam to some extent, but I didn't really have specific posts on all of your sites that would have made a huge amount sense to highlight to get them in via a traditional mention or a reply. Thus I did a few homepage webmentions to get them in under the wire, so to speak.

I don't think it's a common pattern to ping someone's site this way, but given the precedent and prior art within email, it seemed like a somewhat useful way to send the notification without making it so explicit. I'm glad you received it and understood at least some of the intention.

I didn't see a webmention endpoint on Dan's homepage, so I'm glad to have the chance to explicitly @mention him on Twitter with this post.

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I love the mission of @ScienceSites. Are all your sites based on @SquareSpace or do you build with @WordPress, @Drupal, et al.?

 

Replied to a post on github.com :

Within the past month [it's guestimated that over 1 million webmentions](https://snarfed.org/1-million-webmentions) have been sent on the internet. There's not really solid research on how many sites physically send and/or receive them, but as of [last June](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkc5afFohmI&t=2s) the conservative number was in the range of about 5,000 and the number is increasing rapidly, particularly with platforms like micro.blog (5-10,000 accounts) now supporting them out of the box and CMSs like Drupal (via plugin) and Perch having added them since then. This also doesn't take into account an anecdotally sharp uptick of adoption on WordPress via plugin, most notably by several WordPress core developers.

Mastodon already supports most microformats for webmention to be implemented more easily. https://github.com/tootsuite/mastodon/issues/122 and https://github.com/tootsuite/mastodon/issues/965

There are already a number of open source tools that might also be bootstrapped for something like this as well: https://indieweb.org/Webmention#Services

 

@physcocode Given @drupal codebase/structure, perhaps you could backport to @withknown? It would be great to see more in @drupal!

 
 

@keithjgrant That's a well worded synopsis. Welcome to the IndieWeb!

I'm curious if, as a CSS expert--which I am assuredly not, your book has a section that differentiates "semantic" and "styling" classes? One of the quirks I've run into while playing in the Indieweb is that some designers use microformat classes (like hentry/h-entry, e-content, etc.) to style their pages rather than simply allowing them to be used for semantic mark up and instead relying on secondary classes for styling. I've seen many instances, particularly within the WordPress and Drupal communities, where themes (including heavily used template themes--_s, I'm looking at you!) rely on styling using microformats or other semantic classes and this tends to cause problems with decentralization to opening up the web to movements like Indieweb. I have a feeling if more developers were educated about this "quirk" that large swaths of the internet (WordPress apparently runs 25% of the web) would be more easily/automatically converted/upgraded to support the decentralized web. Thoughts?

 
 

Attending: Improving your Drupal 8 development workflow using Composer | DrupalCamp LA 2016 https://2016.drupalcampla.com/sessions/improving-your-drupal-8-development-workflow-using-composer

 

Are Drupal 7 modules directly compatible with Backdrop? This looks like a cool project for hacking on at the upcoming <a href="indieweb.org">IndieWebCamp</a> in Santa Monica in <a href="https://indieweb.org/2016/LA">November</a>...

 

@gusaus @kevinmarks: @warnermusic has been good supporter of LA Drupal community in past. I imagine quite a bit of their work comes back via individuals if not directly through corporate. They may hold back some of their custom built stuff for spinning up mass numbers of sites quickly, but very few people need the ability to spin up 20 sites a week for bands.

 

@kevinmarks If Jessica is watching, @warnermusic has a custom built drupal framework for their bands

 

@kevinmarks @mlncn: What a coincidence, not just 20 minutes ago, I bookmarked this Drupal-related post! http://agaric.com/blogs/marking-drupals-blog-posts-indieweb

 

is nearly here! Have you signed up? The Movement and Drupal http://2015.drupalcampla.com/sessions/indieweb-movement-and-drupal

 

The IndieWeb Movement and Drupal

A BoF session about IndieWeb at DrupalCampLA

Location: Drupal Camp Los Angeles, UC Irvine Campus, Student Center, Irvine, CA

Time:

Ends:

See also: http://2015.drupalcampla.com/sessions/indieweb-movement-and-drupal
Specific time of the session will be determined and set on/around week of 8/23/15.

The IndieWeb is a growing people-focused alternative to the ‘corporate web’.

This BoF session is encouraged for all levels of Drupal users: beginner, intermediate, and advanced. Developers, and particularly those working for larger corporations, should be interested in the benefits that some of the IndieWeb principles can convey to the marketing/communications departments of their clients' companies.

Haven't you (or your clients) always wanted to be the "hub" of your own online presence with ancillary social services helping to serve your purposes rather than the services' own interests? Isn't this why we all want to build and have our own online spaces in the first place?

With the rise of areas like social media, it's often the case that much of our content and material lives in corporate silos like Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Pinterest, and a variety of other sites. Sadly, as netizens, we do not have direct control over these sites, often can't export our data from them, and they can be (and often are) bought out or shut down at almost a moments notice. Worse, comments and interaction with our content is typically also stuck in these silos and it lives or dies with them. Wouldn't you love to have the network effect and value that these sites bring without the extra work or hindrances they bring?

There is a growing and very viable alternative to this model which is being built by the IndieWebCamp community as a multi-platform and opensource project which dovetails well with the ideals of the Drupal community.

Those who are interested in learning about and discussing some of the basic principles and philosophies of the movement are encouraged to attend. We'll chat about some of the current projects and capabilities as well as open standards that help enable the functionality you've always wanted (or maybe didn't know you wanted until now) in your websites.

Moving forward, we can all build IndieWeb principles into the Drupal platform to help it remain relevant as the web continues to grow and evolve.

A wealth of information about the IndieWeb community can be found at their website, but as a brief overview some of their basic principles appear below:

Your content is yours
When you post something on the web, it should belong to you, not a corporation. Too many companies have gone out of business and lost all of their users’ data. By joining the IndieWeb, your content stays yours and in your control.

You are better connected
Your articles and status messages can go to all services, not just one, allowing you to engage with everyone. Even replies and likes on other services can come back to your site so they’re all in one place.

You are in control
You can post anything you want, in any format you want, with no one monitoring you. In addition, you share simple readable links such as example.com/ideas. These links are permanent and will always work.

Category: BoF
Skill: Beginner, Intermediate, Advanced
Duration: One hour
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