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Drupal & ? @KevinMarks I'm making plans for @LADrupal in 2 weeks & was considering a session to introduce people to the movement.

I've dabbled in for a while via WordPress and @WithKnown, but I'm curious if anyone can give me some advice/help/pointers with logistics from the IndieWebCamp side? It's been a while since there was something in the LA area (http://indiewebcamp.com/2013/Hollywood), but it would be nice to have the relatively large developer community here more engaged on a regular basis. Perhaps this meeting of about 500 at the UC Irvine campus can help to spill over into regular meetings in the Los Angeles and Southern California areas?

Is there anyone in the area who's available August 29th (preferably) or 30th that would like to join me in doing this?

 

Jeremy Kieth has an extended post at https://adactio.com/articles/1533 that describes some of the functionality of how Huffduffer pulls in all the information. Wanting to take advantage of the functionality, I'd also long ago linked my account to my website, which, as part of the IndieWeb movement, has an hcard with the relevant rel="me" links (including one for last.fm.)

Unfortunately I'm guessing that the Huffduffer site only scrapes the data once upon registration and isn't set up to go back and rescrape the data when the website field is updated. To test things out, I created a new account, and counter-tested it against both my current site (www.boffosocko.com) as well as a self-hosted version of the IndieWeb compatible WithKnown and a free WithKnown account. None of these seems to find any user avatar, nor does it suck in any of the alternate accounts under the "elsewhere" section.

I'm a bit befuddled as to what may be going on here as it would seem that recent Huffduffer user Erinjo (https://huffduffer.com/erinjo) who I know to be an IndieWeb ninja has a fully fleshed out "profile" (avatar and elsewhere sections). What are the rest of us doing wrong?

 
 

My @Quora answer to Is there a quick way to republish Twitter updates onto a blog? http://www.quora.com/Is-there-a-quick-way-to-republish-Twitter-updates-onto-a-blog/answer/Chris-Aldrich?srid=qkX

There are a small variety of answers here some of which (including Ashton Kutcher's suggestion of the formerly awesome ping.fm) are already defunct in less than a year or two, which indicates the fickle and rapidly changing nature of the internet.

I'll start by not accepting the premise of the question, but modifying the conceptualization to something more interesting and robust. Since there are hundreds upon hundreds of defunct web services many of which have died with little to no advance warning and which more often than not were information silos that didn't allow their users to export their data (see: site-deaths - IndieWebCamp [http://indiewebcamp.com/site_deaths]), I would highly recommend asking the following question instead:
"Is there a quick way to cross-publish or syndicate my content to Twitter?"

The hidden sentiment of the original question: "how can I easily keep my own data in the eventuality that Twitter disappears?" is really the root of the problem and is one which the IndieWeb movement has been diligently working on for several years. I'll let them speak for themselves:

Your content is yours
When you post something on the web, it should belong to you, not a corporation. Too many companies have gone out of business and lost all of their users’ data. By joining the IndieWeb, your content stays yours and in your control.

You are better connected
Your articles and status messages can go to all services, not just one, allowing you to engage with everyone. Even replies and likes on other services can come back to your sites o they’re all in one place.

You are in control
You can post anything you want, in any format you want, with no one monitoring you. In addition, you share simple readable links such as Page on example.com. These links arepermanent and will always work.
-- Source: IndieWebCamp [http://indiewebcamp.com/]

The general philosophy is that it is easy enough to own your own site, own your own data, and then syndicate it out to any of the variety of content silos that exist (while sucking additionally created follow-on data, such as comments, likes, etc. back into your own site), so that you can simultaneously take advantage of the network effects of these silos while still owning everything and not chancing that it will disappear without warning. I'd highly recommend surfing around the IndieWebCamp site for a bit, but I imagine that most will find it actually describes the way many wished the internet worked.

Now that we've got the background philosophy of the question sorted out, let's take a look at the semantics of the solution. The question is essentially asking about the IndieWeb concept of Publish (on your) Own Site, Syndicate Elsewhere (aka POSSE [http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE]). The mechanics are somewhat different depending on the home platform on which one builds one's site, but almost all platforms allow one to at least post the "headline" of their post along with a permalink manually. IndieWeb forward platforms like Wordpress, Tumblr, Drupal, and WithKnown either have the functionality to cross-post to twitter automatically or do so fairly easily with simple and free plugins (e.g.: WordPress's ubiquitous plugin has a "publicize" functionality that allows crossposting to major silos like Facebook, Twitter, Google+, Tumblr, and LinkedIn among others). Most of these also have either built in or plugin functionality to pull comments, likes, and reshares from the specific silo back to the original content, so that all of it is memorialized in the same place. For those that need it, the POSSE page at IndieWebCamp (linked above) has a variety of ideas and resources for a variety of platforms.

 

Without looking at the logs, I seem to remember having a similar issue once upon a time (home page worked, but nothing else did). Double check two quick/hopefully easy things:
Make sure you keep your original "Uploads" folder and keep your config.ini file (or recreate it if necessary. If you recreate it, double check that the path for Uploads is correct. It may automatically default to the proper path name.)

I've written two brief update posts in the past which might be helpful as well. (You may have seen the first one.)
http://stream.boffosocko.com/2015/upgrading-withknown-on-ones-own-server
http://stream.boffosocko.com/2015/updating-withknown-past-077-and-keeping-social-media-integration

 

Finished updating @WithKnown to version 0.8.2.

 
 
 

Finally got around to fixing LinkedIn integration on my @WithKnown site: http://stream.boffosocko.com

 

One of my tweets (and posts) was used to illustrate some functionality in @withknown http://petersell.com/2015/retweeten-mit-known-withknowncom

 

I like what you've done with the final product and have always thought about doing something similar myself, particularly after I saw what Martin Fenner (https://plus.google.com/106537123721037364937/posts) did with his site at http://blog.martinfenner.org/ which actually allows others to make changes to it via github. Naturally, I'm also highly interested in his take on scholarly communication too, which makes me want to delve in there even more.

Another thing I've been playing around with lately has been some tools/toys at http://indiewebcamp.com primarily within WordPress (I noticed you had one at http://teaching.proftalbert.com/, so you're at least somewhat familiar) though also a bit with http://withknown.com which is a platform built specifically with education in mind (https://withknown.com/education/).

A large part of their philosophy is to own one's own data and then syndicate it out to other social media/external site, but some of their infrastructure allows one to easily make posts on one's own page which then act as replies on another's site. This is particularly interesting from the viewpoint of teaching wherein students and professors can interact with each other, but still have/own all of their individual work. (Incidentally, it also makes for using one's own site as a commonplace book of sorts, which I often find valuable.)

As an exmple, you'll notice on the post on my blog http://boffosocko.com/2015/05/21/category-theory-anyone/ got automatically syndicated to Google+ the other day. Then you replied to it within Google+ but my site sucked your comment back into the comments section on my original blog post, thereby keeping the conversation on my site and not only just on Google's.

 

I've been doing something similar myself, particularly given the number of social media outlets to which one can publish. To solve part of the problem, I've been attempting to utilize the tenets of the Indie Web (http://indiewebcamp.com/) as well as several of their projects including WordPress and WithKnown. Perhaps some of the material you'll find there will help you to hone what you're trying to accomplish in your "project." One of my favorite portions is being able to publish everything in one place and then syndicate it everywhere else that makes sense as well as to give it the broadest reach. Having a handful of sources like Twitter and Facebook feed back into the comments is pretty nice as well. I've written a tad about it at http://www.boffosocko.com as well. Perhaps you might keep your WordPress blog as a primary hub and then cross-post the appropriate material here to take advantage of your audience?

 
 

Some brief thoughts for a scientific link blog for @wbialek
If you're going to invest the time to collect interesting papers for yourself, a group, or even for the broader public, take a few minutes to think about how to not only most easily collect, but to curate them, make them searchable, and thus make them useful in a longer and broader context.

Depending on your needs and interests, I'd recommend building a link blog on a free broad platform like Wordpress that will let you save the title of the article, the URL, a short synopsis, and then tag it with metadata (categories like physics, chemistry, biology, math, etc. or sub-specific tags like information theory, statistical thermodynamics, etc.), and then broadcast it to various social media sites like Twitter, Google+, and others.

Other options with similar functionality to consider are:
WithKnown https://withknown.com/
example: http://stream.boffosocko.com/
Radio3: http://radio3.io/
example:http://radio3.io/users/ChrisAldrich/
Mendeley: https://www.mendeley.com/groups/2545131/itbio-information-theory-microbiology-evolution-and-complexity/

Given the value I think I'd personally get out of you doing something like this, I'm happy to volunteer some time to build, set up, and simplify the process for you. I'm pretty sure that with a minimum of work, you could have a simple bookmarklet on your webbrowser that would easily allow you to "clip" the article you want, add any quick bits of metadata or tags, and then automatically publish it to one or more of your social media sites automatically, keeping the work to doing it well under a minute while allowing you to easily come back and search, sort, and filter later if you choose.

 

Updating @WithKnown Past 0.7.7 and Keeping Social Media Integration http://stream.boffosocko.com/2015/updating-withknown-past-077-and-keeping-social-media-integration